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“Marketing has to re-examine all of its central concepts”
Four decades after he launched the marketing Bible, Philip Kotler admits that the world has changed and so is his marketing model
By
Amit Agnihotri
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| In a recent interview, you have said that marketing is at crossroads. What do you really mean? Why has this happened? |
| Marketing needs to reexamine all of its central concepts as a result of many new forces, such as China and India’s low price exports, advertising’s diminished impact, the growing influence of the finance function in most companies, the multiplication of communication and distribution channels, and the rise of the Internet and cell phones, among others. The bottomline is that management is not satisfied with marketing’s performance. Management is insisting on more performance and more accountability.
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| What are the key concern areas for marketing discipline? |
| I would list the following concerns:
* The need to find and exploit new tools for effectively distributing messages that reach TG, tools such as WoM marketing, PR, product placement, talk shows, and others.
* The need to integrate all the marketing communications under a clear brand concept.
* The need to better spot new needs and new trends and to work them into new products and solutions.
* The need for better metrics and measurement tools to account for the impact of marketing campaigns.
* The need to collect and manage data on an individual prospect and customer basis.
* The need to forge a stronger working relationship between marketing and sales.
* The need to forge a stronger working relationship between marketing and sales and the other key functions, such as R&D, engineering, manufacturing, and finance.
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| What are the solutions that you offer to put marketing back on track? |
| My main recommendation is to make marketers responsible for driving the business strategy. To do this, marketers must develop competence in financial and technological matters. In addition, marketers need to improve their trend-spotting ability and creativity in bringing out really new products. I wrote the book Lateral Marketing to describe the ways for marketers to do out-of-the-box thinking that results in exciting new products and services.
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| Since the first edition of your seminal work Marketing Management, first published in 1967 and now into the 12th edition, what are the key changes that you have made in the thought process and the theory? Are there any significant changes? |
| The changes between the first edition and the 12th edition are so substantial that I recently refused to sign the first edition when a CEO asked me to sign it. I said this first edition is holding you back. There is no mention of the Internet, branding is only discussed in a few pages, segmentation is only briefly examined, and key concepts such as value proposition, customer equity, and brand equity had not yet been invented.
The first edition was heavily transaction-oriented, that is, how to make a sale. The 12th edition is heavily relationship-centered, that is, how to keep and grow loyal customers.
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| Some critics have argued that traditional marketing rooted in your 4Ps model focuses too much on the product at the cost of vital attention on consumer. How do you react to this? How is your 4Ps model customer-centric? |
| Many editions ago I argued that a marketer never starts with the 4Ps. The company must start with a mission and vision statement, and then segmentation, targeting and positioning. I also argued that the 4Ps should first be turned into the 4Cs which take a customer point of view rather than a seller’s point of view. The 4Cs are customer value (instead of product), customer cost (instead of price), customer convenience (in lieu of place), and customer communication (in place of promotion). Once the Cs are determined, then the marketer can set and refine the 4Ps.
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| In our recent conversations with Prof Jag Sheth and Dr Venkat Rama-swamy of University of Michigan, both the authors have claimed that their frameworks (the 4As & value co-creation, respectively) are better placed to guide the marketing discipline. How do you see this growing criticism from the peers? |
| I am a great admirer of Dr Jag Sheth for the many new ideas that he has brought into marketing. His 4As framework is similar to my 4Cs framework. Either one can be used. I have no wish to perpetuate a 4P framework if something comes along that is better. Nevertheless, the 4Ps framework is very useful in organising the material of marketing for teaching purposes. We would have to see how a marketing textbook would look if organised under the 4As framework. Would the 4Ps be gone and not be mentioned? Would there not be a chapter on product, price, place and promotion. My guess is these will remain as chapter topics somewhere in the textbook.
As for Prahalad and Ramaswamy’s co-creation perspective, it is a good addition to our thinking. We should not only be customer-centric in running our business but should go further and invite customers to participate in co-designing our products. Those customers who buy a Dell computer obviously design their own computer.
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| As we move toward wanting a more interactive dialogue with individual customers, we recognise that we can learn from them and evolve our products better with their help. |
| I am all for empowering customers to tell us what they want. We have too long been selling standardised products and practicing standardised marketing, all for the sake of securing economies of scale. We are now able to economically individualise offerings in several businesses and please the customer more.
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| Today mega brands like Coke are no longer seen as icons of marketing excellence, but relatively new players like Apple iPod and Starbucks are. Where did these mega players miss the trick. Were they reluctant, or under-estimated the new marking environment? |
| Coke and similar mass produced and mass distributed products will always be around. They rely on mass advertising and deep sales promotion to the trade and the consumers. But this has posed two problems:
* The 30-second TV ads is weakening as channels proliferate; as clutter increases and as people turn to other activities like computing, video games, exercising; and as TIVOs are purchased more to avoid ads.
* Sales promotion is now taking about 70 percent of the advertising and promotion budget and amounts to a huge margin killer for companies. Consumer packaged goods companies need to figure out new ways to build their brand power and loyalty without such large expenditures on advertising and promotion
This brings us to Apple iPod and Starbuck. The lesson that we take from Apple iPod is that there is no substitute for a really good new product. Most of iPod’s success came from WoM and PR stories, not conventional advertising and promotion. The lesson that we take from Starbucks is that a really good coffee can beat any mediocre coffee, and that if you surround it with an engaging experience, you have a winner. Starbucks also grew because of adroit buzz marketing, PR stories, and highly satisfied customers.
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| You’ve introduced the concept of holistic marketing in 2002. Is this a new marketing model that replaces the 4Ps model, or a larger concept that subsumes 4Ps? How would one understand and apply it in relation with the 4Ps model? Any successful exampels of holistic marketing? |
| My colleagues and I have argued for holistic marketing in our book Marketing Moves. Marketing should not be a department so much as the driver of business strategy and the force that insures that the brand promise is fulfilled. Holistic marketing calls for four steps:
* The company needs to enlarge its view of its customers’ needs and lifestyles. The company should stop seeing the customer only as a consumer of its current products and start visualising broader ways to serve its customers.
* The company needs to assess how all of its departments impact on customer satisfaction. Customers are adversely affected when their products arrive late or are damaged, when invoices are inaccurate, when customer service is poor, or when other foul-ups occur.
The task of marketing is to unify everyone in the company to ‘think customer’ and deliver the company’s brand promise.
* The company needs to assess the impact of its actions on all the company’s stakeholders-customers, employees, distributors, dealers, and suppliers-not only its shareholders. Any alienated stakeholder group can cause havoc to the company’s plans and progress. Holistic marketing calls for partnering with the employees, suppliers, and distributors to work as a team to deliver the best value to the target customers.
* The company needs to take a larger view of the company’s industry, its players and its evolution. Today many industries are converging, presenting new opportunities and new threats to each industry player.
Holistic marketing is essentially a move from a product focus to a customer focus, from selling products to sensing, serving, and satisfying customers. This has been going on for a while and is getting stronger. Holistic marketing is a step in changing the company’s architecture to implement the customer concept as driving the company. Marketing cannot work effectively unless it is holistic.
I am much impressed with GE under its new CEO that has decided to focus on real problems facing the nations of the world, including global warming, global pollution, environmental degradation, poor health systems, and poor educational system. General Electricals elevated marketing as a fun- ction to be co-equal with engineering and finance so that it can keep on inventing to meet challenges.
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| Which companies or people today stand for excellence in marketing thought and practice? What characteristics and skills do they have? What can we learn from them? |
| Let me mention the three sets of companies whom I admire for their strategies: companies that innovate ways to lower the cost of living, such as Ikea, Southwest Airlines, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Dollar General, and Aldi’s; companies that boost quality to higher levels-Sony, Lexus, Intel, Starbucks; I favor companies that have a social conscience-Body Shop, Ben & Jerry’s, Avon, Kraft.
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| Which companies or people today stand for excellence in marketing thought and practice? What characteristics and skills do they have? What can we learn from them? |
| Let me mention the three sets of companies whom I admire for their strategies: companies that innovate ways to lower the cost of living, such as Ikea, Southwest Airlines, Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Dollar General, and Aldi’s; companies that boost quality to higher levels-Sony, Lexus, Intel, Starbucks; I favor companies that have a social conscience-Body Shop, Ben & Jerry’s, Avon, Kraft.
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| What changes would you recommend in marketing education? |
| We’ve spent a lot of time teaching our marketing students to understand and use market research, advertising, pricing, channels and sales. In today’s e-world, additional skills such as those for brand building, database management and data-mining, customer relationship management, customer profitability measurement, public relation and ‘buzz marketing’, event management and experiential marketing, and direct mail, catalog, and telemarketing are needed in the marketing department.
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| Where do you see marketing headed to? What are the key structural changes in the offing? |
| Here are some of my observations:
* There will be an increase in marketing and sales automation. Several activities in marketing can be turned over to software, thus giving us more time to think more strategically.
* Companies will put in more controls for marketing accountability, including the development of better metrics and putting a marketing controller into marketing department.
* Marketing and sales will get more integrated rather than always pointing the figure at each other when sales objectives are not reached.
* Marketing will increase its presence in the boardroom as directors increasingly ask for more than financial information and want to know how their customers are faring
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| How are marketing principles and applications different in emerging economies like India and China, where value seems to be the primary marketing approach? |
| Marketing principles are universal, with the lead idea being to understand your target customers and produce a superior offering to satisfy their needs. If there is a large population of poor people, then a superior offering means offering adequate products at the lowest price or quality products at a low price. It is also important to develop strong brands that make a promise and deliver on the promise consistently.
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- “Marketers are still stuck in the memories of golden 60s & 70s”: Jagdish Sheth
One of the most erudite scholars and copious writers on various aspects of marketing and consumer behaviour today, Dr Jag Sheth is the proponent of the 4As framework, which lobs the consumer at the very centre of the entire marketing spectrum.In this freewheeling interview,Prof Sheth speaks at length on the whys and hows of refashioning marketing-moving away from the product-and-brand-centricity to one that of consumer-centricity.
- “A great product is the starting point of a strong brand”: Kevin Keller
It’s not everyday that you get to co-author a marketing Bible. But Dr Kevin Lane Keller, the EB Osborn Professor of Marketing at the Amos Tuck School of Business Administ- ration, Dartmouth College, has just done that—the 12th edition of Marketing Management with Dr Kotler. It more than justifies his status as a marketing maven with an enviable reputation in strategic brand management and integrated marketing communications.
- “P&G and HP are leading the marketing RoI wave”: James Lenskold
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- “Customers see higher value when they can co-create”: Venkat Ramaswamy
The rising flow of information and the resultant knowledge that customers have about various products and services, together with their increasing demand for customisation, have put an ever-increasing burden on marketers. In fact, this essentially is a call for letting customers co-create value and thus provide them with product experience that can a last lifetime, says Venkat Ramaswamy, professor of marketing at the Stephen M Ross School of Business at the University of Michigan.He says it’s high time that companies shifted from the traditional 4Ps of marketing and allowed customers to become part of their marketing process so that they can give the product an altogether different meaning. He insists on delivering unique experience to customers by engaging them in a personal way thereby making product purchase a memorable event.
- “All communication is an incentive”: Don Schultz
Don Schultz is the Professor of Integrated Marketing Communi- cations at the Medill School of Journalism, Northwestern University, and is a renowned name in the field of marketing. He is more known for highlighting the importance of integrating marketing communication (IMC).In this interview, he talks about why IMC is necessary, how marketing needs to move out from a narrow definition to become a strategic planning function!
- “Experiential marketing gives you a competitive edge”: Bernd Schmitt
Bernd Schmitt is the Robert D Calkins Professor of International Business at the Columbia Business School, where he also directs the Centre for Global Brand Leadership. A prominent name in the world of branding, he is best known for his unique call to marketing to look beyond the selling model and instead focus on experience as the next big 'differentiator'. In this email interview, he talks about the alternative approach of experience being the pivot of marketing, the five-step process to achieve it and how the consumer is at the end of the day human and like all humans oftentimes it's the heart that rules the head.
- “Markets undergo changes faster than marketers”: Nirmalya Kumar
A formidable authority on marketing, Nirmalya Kumar is the Professor of Marketing and Co-Director of the Aditya Birla India Centre at the London Business School. In his latest book Marketing As Strategy: Understanding the CEO's Agenda for Growth and Innovation, he speaks about the interesting paradox of the marginalisation of marketing as a function while the need for marketing is being increasingly voiced.In this email interview, Kumar speaks about the 'century of retail', its implications for marketers and more specifically what domestic marketers can do to build and sustain strong brands with the advent of organised retail.
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